I saw a lot of people saying, just please call me Black – Blackity (ph) Black, Black.
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #4: (As Joel) Black, Indigenous, person of color – Black and Indigenous designated separately because of their particular histories and oppression.
And I always like to say I’m not the leader in any revolution; I’m just an active participant.
Like, I’m Black, and I just feel like it’s just an excuse for people to not want to say Black people.
So saying people of color or, you know, insert noun of color – journalists of color, musicians of color, creatives of color – is also being used in these ways that might be meant to obscure, and maybe intentionally.